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Whether you call them, clear, silver, white or simple 'see through' how do you drink them?


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Old 10-29-2007, 12:22 PM   #11
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Enrico died Oct 9 of this year but the restaurant has reopened. Unfortunately the bar has lost much of its passion. I went late last week and was offered a special mojito made with Bacardi light. There is a time and place for Bacardi light but that was neither.
Yeah. I was in there once during David's tenure. I just thought the place was busy and he was in craze trying to keep up. Later I discovered more about him and his circus act and the fact that he could be just as worked up over 1 drink order as he could a counter full of persons waiting impatiently.

That was too bad about Enrico. If I recall correctly he lost the business once before due to tax issues.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:34 AM   #12
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Now that I've been able to gather my thoughts on this:
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Oronoco is a blend of Brazilian sugar cane spirit made from freshly pressed sugar cane grown on the mountains in the southern part of that vast country, and aged Venezuelan rum.
Of course nothing is concrete here, but wouldn't one estimate Pampero is the mostly likely source Diageo tapped for the "aged rum" - or no?

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The reason Oronoco tastes more like an aged rum than what many percieve to be a white rum is that fact that the base spirit is made from freshly squeezed sugar cane juice. So you might ask, "Why doesn't Oronoco taste more like rhum agricole." That lies in the way rhum agricole and the base spirit for Oronoco are distilled. Rhum agricole is distilled to about 72% alcohol by volume, which Oronoco is distilled to a much higher proof rendering it closer to a neutral spirit. The vanilla flavor of Oronoco comes in large part from the addition of aged Venezuelan rum.
Aren't the Zacapa, Zaya and Botran rums made from fresh squeezed cane juice? I realize prior to bottling these go through significant maturation, but just curious, do you think the ageing and barrel influence is what has washed away their *agricole*-like edge or are they also distilled to very high percentages? Or is it a combination of all the mentioned factors?
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:47 AM   #13
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Aren't the Zacapa, Zaya and Botran rums made from fresh squeezed cane juice?
All of these rums are made from sugar cane syrup. Since Pampero is also owned by Diageo, there could be a good guess, but it might be something else they own or buy, I try not to speculate.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:18 PM   #14
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All of these rums are made from sugar cane syrup. Since Pampero is also owned by Diageo, there could be a good guess, but it might be something else they own or buy, I try not to speculate.
Under the buying concept that would make sense, although buying outside does defy some sense from the shareholder's perspective. As far as owning, given that it was specifically identified as Venezuelan in orgin, that led me to speculate the source.

Like you though, I realize nothing is certain with regards to spirit marketing. Educated guesses aside, I do like the current final product. It will be interesting to see if it can be maintained for years to come.

As an interesting side, you mentioned Oronoco's early marketing - if I recall correctly (the marketing I saw personally) focused significantly on the family who grows the cane in Brazil... their other world renown cane related productions and migration from Europe etc. Now that Oronoco has established itself and the questions have mounted, much of the focus has moved from the skill of the cane owners and their cane from Heaven, to what type of magic trick Diageo has in its top hat.
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:18 PM   #15
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New Hampshire is now selling Oronoco. On sale for $30, as I saw today.

I paid $44 in NYC last month... :-(
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You have to love New Hampshire. Hope you had a nice drive.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:31 PM   #17
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Oronoco from Brazil gets my vote as one of my favorite white rums for sipping. It has a delightful flavor and a clean finish and stands apart from most white rums I enjoy.
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:42 PM   #18
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Aren't the Zacapa, Zaya and Botran rums made from fresh squeezed cane juice? I realize prior to bottling these go through significant maturation, but just curious, do you think the ageing and barrel influence is what has washed away their *agricole*-like edge or are they also distilled to very high percentages? Or is it a combination of all the mentioned factors?
I just realized I hadn't responded to this question so here it is: Zacapa, Zaya and Botran rums are made from sugar cane syrup and not fresh sugar cane jiuce. They are also distilled to about 92% abv unlike rhum agricole which is distilled to about 72% abv which is why it has so much more flavor than other rums which are distilled to a higher proof. Aging also affect their profile but the raw ingredients and distillation proof account for the majority of the difference.
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Oronoco from Brazil gets my vote as one of my favorite white rums for sipping. It has a delightful flavor and a clean finish and stands apart from most white rums I enjoy.
I agree 100% ! its a very nice, very crisp fresh flavorful white rum. If you compare this rum with the worst white rum (that I know of so far) Bacardi "superior" with its almost offensive and industrial, metallic taste you will really see how different rums can taste, if we now really can call this Bacardi a RUM in the right sense of the word?

I suppose its made for mass produced drinks?
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Old 12-25-2008, 02:54 PM   #20
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Tiare,
is there a liquor store in Stockholm that sells Oronoco or did you obtain it another way ?
I have a mate that lives near Malmo so maybe he could get me 2 bottles when he drives up next time he visits some other friends!

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