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Edward Hamilton
02-27-2008, 02:21 PM
26 February 2008


Source: Jessica Harvey
Havana_Club International (HCI) has spoken out about its longstanding legal feud with Bacardi over the rights to the Havana Club rum brand, and the "opportunity" Fidel Castro's resignation could represent for future trade with the US.
Speaking to just-drinks on Friday (22 February), the Pernod Ricard and Cuban government joint venture said that Bacardi's rum, also called Havana Club and currently being sold in Miami in the US, "is not a good product", adding that it was simply an attempt to "show that they [Bacardi] are there [in the US marketplace]" to "see what could happen".
Havana Club International director general Marc Beuve-Mery said: "They don't plan to make it a commercial success, and they are perfectly capable of making a good rum, but they didn't try. They just wanted to apply the space."
Bacardi has long claimed that the Havana Club brand and associated assets were illegally confiscated from its original owners by the current Cuban government and has a pending application to register the mark in its own name.
Bacardi says that the company that historically produced and exported Havana Club, Jose Arechabala, was the continuation of a business that was founded in Cuba in 1878. In 1960, Bacardi claims, the company was seized by the Cuban government.
In 1993, the Government formed HCI with Pernod to produce and market the brand globally outside the US, where the trade embargo blocked the sale of Cuban products.
Beuve-Mery explained: "We are winning every (legal) case in Spain and they've taken it to the Supreme Court and they've lost every time to the point where the judge says: 'Come on guys, you're just trying to put down the competition'. They say there are rights, but there are no rights. They say they bought something from someone who had not maintained their property. The Arechabala family stopped protecting their brand name. In Spain, we're given full credit for what was said. In the US, it doesn't work. The lobbying of Bacardi became stronger and stronger. But, (globally) we're really growing faster than they are, and they're losing year on year and what they lose, we gain."
When asked about the resignation of Fidel Castro leading to the possibility of the US trade embargo being removed, Beuve-Mery described entering the marketplace as "a great opportunity".
"Some say it could take time, but there is no way we can predict what will happen. We can defend our brand in the US. I'm sure that Bacardi would not like us to enter the US market, there is no doubt. The US accounts for 40% of the rum market and so we're growing 15% year on year and we're playing on just half of the field, we've gained globally speaking a point of market share every year and they've lost (a point) every year. If we entered the US we would start with a 0% market share and so we can only get better," added Beuve-Mery.

Hank Koestner
02-27-2008, 10:20 PM
We can only keep our fingers crossed.............

mac
02-28-2008, 12:07 AM
Does Havana club make any preminum dark rums or aged rums?? I've enjoyed the blanc but found it to be OK but not great.

Dood
02-28-2008, 01:14 PM
Does Havana club make any preminum dark rums or aged rums?? I've enjoyed the blanc but found it to be OK but not great.

The 7 year old is good. It actually has an almost creamy quality to it. Distinctive, smoky, and very satisfying.

Paulipbartender
02-28-2008, 01:26 PM
Does Havana club make any preminum dark rums or aged rums?? I've enjoyed the blanc but found it to be OK but not great.

The 15 year old is exceptional but unfortunately very overpriced. I agree with Dood's comments on the 7 year old too

Tiare
02-28-2008, 02:30 PM
The 7 year is one of my fav rums, i drink it all the time..:D its a very easy rum to drink, very friendly.

JMac
02-28-2008, 03:14 PM
The Anejo is also good for mixed drinks and if your budget conscious.

Matusalem
02-28-2008, 03:50 PM
Ed,

Quasi related. I was curious and maybe you can give or get the answer. Havana Club Barrel Proof... how can it be "barrel proof" but majestically it appears to always be bottled at a fixed 45% / 90є?

Is this another one of those "play on words" type of things dealing with old lore... something like Glenfarclas' 105? Or do they simply define higher strength as "barrel strength"?

Count Silvio
02-28-2008, 04:16 PM
Does Havana club make any preminum dark rums or aged rums?? I've enjoyed the blanc but found it to be OK but not great.
Certainly. The 7 year old is a decent and affordable rum although I didn't find any cream Dood found. Read my review HC7 review here. (http://www.refinedvices.com/content/view/28/37/) Havana Club also makes a more expensive 15 year old rum as mentioned by Paulipbartender and dare I say it... the Havana Club Maximo. Maximo is a very expensive rum for rich collectors.

rumdog007
02-29-2008, 06:21 PM
If one looks at the wording of the US law which enables the enforcement of the embargo, it states that "...a Castro" or "...person or persons of the family named Castro holding position of dictatorship...". Since his brother, a Castro, is still in power a repeal of the actual law is still needed. But, more importantly, it would take a president which is willing to buck the south Florida Cuban American sentiment against repeal. Actually, this sentiment declines each decade as the older generation passes on, but it is still a force. Bacardi's seeming victory in the name/trademark issue further complicates the matter. And, of course, the whole mess of distributorship would need to be resolved around Bacardi's certain pressure to keep HC out. So, I don't think that HC will reach shores, legally, any time soon.

Edward Hamilton
03-01-2008, 02:05 PM
Ed,
Havana Club Barrel Proof... how can it be "barrel proof" but majestically it appears to always be bottled at a fixed 45% / 90є?

Is this another one of those "play on words" type of things dealing with old lore... something like Glenfarclas' 105? Or do they simply define higher strength as "barrel strength"?

I'm not in any position to interpret Cuban law, but having said that, my guess is that the other Havana Club rums aren't aged at 45% alcohol. One of the reasons distillers batch their barrels before bottling is so that they can adjust the alcohol content of the batch before bottling. Havana Club hasn't claimed that these are Single Barrel rums, but the Barrel Proof statement appears to be more of a marketing statement than a fact.

My guess, is that they are probably batching barrels of a higher proof (around 70 - 80 % abv), reducing the abv and then bottling from the batching vat, which could be called a barrel, and then calling the batched rum Barrel Proof. But then, I don't have any proof.

Edward Hamilton
03-01-2008, 02:07 PM
Of the Havana Club rums I've enjoyed, their old Anejo Reserva was my favorite for sipping. The lighter 3 year old white rum made a good daiquiri or mixer but I enjoyed sipping it. There are just too many other sipping rums on board.

Hank Koestner
03-01-2008, 05:31 PM
I enjoy the HC 7, and the Anejo. Both are nice rums, with good flavor, on the lighter side, as far as sipping rums go for me. I really love the 3 for daquiris.

Rum Runner
04-02-2009, 04:44 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) March 30, 2009 — A federal judge dismissed a Cuban lawsuit Monday over the termination of U.S. trademark rights for its Havana Club rum, a victory for Bacardi's effort to take over the brand name as its own in the United States.

The dispute dates back decades and is entangled in property seizures during the Cuban revolution, the trade embargo with the island nation and U.S. trademark law.

Cuba's Havana Club is not sold in the United States because of the trade embargo, but the company got a U.S. trademark for the name in 1976 for future opportunities in case the embargo is lifted. French spirits producer Pernod Ricard has partnered with the Cuban government to sell Cuba's Havana Club internationally and has successfully driven up sales around the world outside the United States.

Cubaexport, Cuba's state-owned export enterprise, filed the lawsuit three years ago against the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Asset Control after the agency refused to allow renewal of its trademark.

Tom Gjelten, an NPR reporter and author of a book on the dispute, said Bacardi realizes it's possible the Cuba trade embargo could be lifted and Cuba's Havana Club could become a threat to its rum sales in the United States.

Gjelten said Bacardi shrewdly bolstered its case by getting Congress to pass a law in 1998 that prevents the registration or renewal of trademarks connected with companies nationalized by the Cuban government.

U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth cited that law Monday in his decision to throw out Cubaexport's case.

"What this decision seems to be is one more nail in the coffin for Pernod Ricard trying to hold onto its use of the Havana Club trademark in the United States," said Gjelten, author of "Bacardi and the Long Fight for Cuba."

Cubaexport attorney Vincent N. Palladino said they will appeal the decision. "The decision, and the process OFAC followed in denying Cubaexport a license, are especially disappointing given that U.S.-Cuba policy is under review," Palladino said in an e-mail.

Bacardi fought to have Cuba's trademark canceled and is now selling its own Havana Club rum in limited quantities in Florida, made in Puerto Rico so it doesn't violate the trade embargo. Bacardi has an application pending to register the mark in its own name.

As Bacardi explains it, Havana Club rum was developed in 1935 by a family owned Cuban company, Jose Arechabala SA. When Fidel Castro rose to power, the family's plant and trademark were seized and the Cuban government began producing rum under the Havana Club label. Bacardi bought the original recipe and the Havana Club name from the Arechabala family in 1994.

"We are the legitimate owners of the brand," said Patricia M. Neal, spokeswoman for Bacardi USA Inc. "We're thrilled that once again the U.S. courts have upheld these laws."

curoswiss
04-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Great Rum info.

They will dominate the US market when the trade embargo is dropped. I clearly understand why they are making such moves in the US Court System.

I always choose Havana Club over Bacardi and I'm sure 'allot' of Future US buyers will do the same.

RonJames
04-02-2009, 11:56 PM
I always choose Havana Club over Bacardi and I'm sure 'allot' of Future US buyers will do the same.

Ya know, im not sure. Look at the product lines. HC seems to produce in ascending age light, refined, somewhat spicy rums. Bacardi puts out vodka-flavored like rums. Examples...limon, apple, watermelon, coco, etc. Unfortunately most buyers in the US buy the flavored stuff, same with vodka. Bacardi's strength lies in its marketing along with their VERY shrewd business moves. That being said when that embargo is lifted you(curoswiss), me, and everyone on this board is cheering with a nice glass of HC.